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I was giving some thought to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah the other day.

Most of you will be in broad terms familiar with this fairy tale, but let me sketch it out in brief terms anyways. In the ancient middle east, there were, according to this story, two cities named Sodom and Gomorrah which were exceptionally sexualized societies. The details are a little sketchy, but it seems that homosexuality was not frowned upon, and it is heavily implied that gang rape was a pretty socially accepted sort of thing as well. These were, in short, people who were pretty committed to this whole “sexing” thing. The christian (or, at the time, Hebrew) god, Yahweh, decides that he doesn’t care for the looks of this place too much, and, in one of his frequently not-actually-all-that-omniscient-after-all moments, decides he needs to investigate this town. He makes a deal with his sycophantic toady, Abraham, that if there’s so much as a single person in the city who conforms to his morality, then he’ll let the matter slide.

He sends a couple of his angels on a fact-finding expedition, where they lodge with Abraham’s nephew in town, Lot. While there, they make quite the impression upon the population, who mob Lot’s house in an attempt to get freaky with these angels. Lot, whose sense of family values seems to be about as shakey as that of his uncle, decides that he would rather see his daughters gang raped in the street than allow two angels who could plainly take care of themselves to be confronted by an unruly and evidently horny mob. The mob is having none of it, though, and the angels announce that, as a result, their god is going to have them murder every living thing in the cities. As such, Lot and his family are told to leave and not look back, which 75% of them manage to do (Lot’s wife bringing the family’s total grade down from a solid A+ to a merely respectable C by glancing over her shoulder as she ran and being killed by the angels for the act in a kind of puzzlingly vindictive dick move).

When they’re up in the hills, with the city being rendered a flaming and stinking ruin (the benefit that using fire AND brimstone rather than just fire is not made exactly clear, but one assumes that the unpleasant aroma is meant to be some sort of additional penalty), Lot and his two daughters settle down for the night, and his daughters demonstrate that they were not altogether untouched by the culture of their hometown, as their very first impulse is to drug and rape their father, which they do with gusto.

There’s something that occurs to me, when I think about all of this, though; even if we assume that each and every person in these cities were somehow irredeemably evil, and we assume that Yahweh has the moral prerogative to murder them all as a result (which is a central assumption within the story, so I won’t really get into it here and now beyond calling it “bullshit”), there’s still the sticky question of the children and babies which resided in town, especially vis a vis murdering them for the fact that they happened to have had the wrong parents.

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Share the Wealth Wednesday #4

  • 18th Nov, 2009 at 6:47 AM
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It is once again Wednesday, and with this turning of the week, we once again find ourselves in line for that most exciting and fruitful of occasions; Share the Wealth Wednesday!

For those who do not yet know, and for those who have forgotten, allow me to elucidate in brief: Every Wednesday, we share some Neat Thing we have discovered on the net which others can share in and enjoy with no more than a few mouse clicks. A YouTube video, a video game, a webcomic, or whatever. While things which are new are always to be preferred, since things which have not existed for long are more likely to be new and novel to a larger number of people, the fact remains that even the very oldest of websites are as new as the day’s sunrise to someone who’s never seen them. Therefore, each Wednesday, we Share the Wealth, posting about these Neat Things here, for the benefit and enjoyment of all.

For my own contribution this week, I put truth to my own words by presenting something which has existed for the better part of a decade but which I only became aware of a month or so ago. There exists in the city of Austin, Texas, a public access television show entitled “The Atheist Experience”, which exists as a sort of outreach program for a group called the Atheist Community of Austin (or ACA, if you prefer), serving not only to discuss a wide range of topics – though predominantly religious and philosophical by nature - from an atheistic standpoint, both to educate the larger, largely christian community of Texas, as to who and what atheists are, and to show that they’re not the monstrous devil-worshippers that their preachers would have them believe they are.

In this, they are only partially successful.

Because, you see, this is Texas. And Texans are ORNERY. They’re aggressive, brash and loud. This applies to both the atheists on the show and their largely-christian callers. For you see, this is a call-in show, and their calls are always awesome, being, as they are, dialogues between two equally abrasive and loud groups with wildly differing world-views. I absolutely love watching this show. Doing so is possible because they not only also stream their show online – giving it a global audience – they also have an impressive archive of past shows going back some four years or so, which are freely downloadable and/or viewable online. I have lately been going through them at a rate of two or three episodes per week, and absolutely loving them. Give ‘er a look, eh wot?

Here's one of my favourite episodes, in which the hosts discuss in some depth the prevelant and ongoing meme of "Those angry atheists".




So! What about you folks? Share the Wealth!
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Part 1

I’ve been pretty active in the online atheist community for the past ten years or so, in one form or another, and in that time, I’ve heard all sorts of arguments for and against all sorts of crazy religious beliefs. I had a thought, today, which I realize that I’ve never, in all of those years, heard brought up, and that surprises me a great deal. I’m sure if I looked around a bit, I could find it being discussed somewhere, and perhaps I will later, because I would love to hear what Young Earth Creationists would say about this one.

Okay, so Young Earth Creationists (hereafter referred to as “YECs”) say the world was created about 6,000 years ago. They have a specific date, but I don’t care quite enough to check it out. 6,000 is close enough for my purposes here. Now, let me paint a little picture of what, if they’re correct, a certain element of human history would have looked like:

In the beginning, there would have been not one single star visible in the night-time sky, because even the nearest star to the Earth (aside from the sun, obviously) is about 4.37 light years away. This means that, some four years and four months after the creation of the Earth, a little speck of light would have appeared in the hithertofore nearly-empty night sky, as the first rays of light from our nearest cosmic neighbor finally reached us. Gradually, as time went by, one by one, more and more stars would have begun to appear, as the light from them, travelling at a known and constant speed, arrived on Earth.

Throughout history, astronomers should have been reporting more and more new stars appearing in previously-empty spots in the sky, the heavens seeming to populate themselves more and more densely with each passing day. But this is not the case: the star charts of astronomers from thousands of years ago are remarkably consistent with what we can see today, and there exists no record of a gradually-decreasing black void in the sky.

Today, with our marvelous telescopes, we should be able to see the light of stars which are 6,000 light-years away burst into existence in real time. Indeed, since the bible teaches us that Yahweh created all of the stars in a single day, we should be seeing a black shell of nothingness all around us, some 6,000 light years in radius, gradually retreating at a rate of one light second per second. If we did see that, it would be pretty much impossible to make a serious argument that the universe were more than 6,000 years old, or that it wasn’t all created in one day. The evidence would be conclusive and irrefutable.

But of course, that’s not what we see, is it? What we see is the light from stars which are more than 6,000 light years away. Much more. Thousands of times more. Millions of times more. This should not be possible if YECs are correct. Indeed, if they were correct, to be able to see light shining from stars which are more than 6,000 light years away, that light would literally need to have been created, in-transit, between the stars which supposedly emitted them and the Earth.

Think about what that would mean: As we watch what we think is a star located more than 6,000 years ago, what we’re actually watching is an elbourate illusion created by Yahweh, of a history which never took place, of an object which did not in fact exist at the time we think we’re seeing it. We believe we’re seeing the story of a star which is, say, 7,000 light years away, but what we’re actually seeing is 1,000 years of bullshit and deception before the first ray of light from that star ever reaches us.

In fact, the christian god would not only have needed to spin this elabourate lie in order to beguile and deceive us into believing that the universe was more than 6,000 years old, he would have needed to create a consistent illusion, with rays of light carrying illusions and lies to us from every point in the heavens in such a way as to consistently indicate and provide evident support for a history which never took place.

It seems like a lot of trouble to go to just in order to dissuade us from believing in him. One would have thought that planting all of those false dinosaur fossils would have been sufficient, but I guess he’s a perfectionist when it comes to trying to prevent us from believing in his own inerrent word. It just seems like it’s desperately important to him that we don’t believe in him.

And of course, many YECs are really very preoccupied with finding evidence for their specific and literal interpretation for the bible. You can go to one of their hilariously Flintstones-esque “Creation Museums” and learn all about how the Grand Canyon scientifically proves that the story of Noah’s Flood is real and proven history. Physical evidence is extremely important to them, even if it needs to be massaged and twisted and distorted until it suits their specific purposes. So I wonder what they say about this matter of physical evidence...?

Part 2

Okay, so since writing part 1, I’ve spent several hours looking into this topic, and as I’ve surmised, there’s a lot written and discussed on this issue. A whole lot. Like, “hundreds of thousands of hits on Google” lots. I’m frankly kind of stunned that this has never once been on my radar, so to speak, but what the heck. Better late to the party than never to show up, right?

First off, it seems that, as I guessed, the “light created in-transit” idea was in fact in vogue for a while among YECs, until they realized that it did in fact seem to implicate their chosen deity as a kind of mischievous trickster-god. They didn’t care for this notion too much, and so discarded it as inconvenient to the point they were trying to make.

There followed a number of other ideas, which I won’t touch upon beyond saying that they eventually realized that the facts did not seem to support these notions, and so they too were discarded. Bully for them, I say, for having the wits and character to do so.

The current popular notion is a bit of a head-scratcher for me, and one I’m going to have to look into a bit more deeply when I have the time. Basically, as I understand it, the concept goes like this: The Earth is the centre of the entire universe (as befits its place as the cornerstone of their god’s creation), and therefore has around it a massive gravitational field, caused by a ginormous white hole spewing out all of the matter and energy which comprises the rest of the universe (but which is not visible to us and which has none of the “wiping out the solar system and all of its contents in a matter of seconds” sorts of effects that such an object would, one would expect, actually produce). From what I’m reading, it seems that white holes are not understood to actually have this sort of effect on gravity, but here I concede that I am simply over my head, physics-wise. At any rate, the effect of this, they claim, is that time is dilated in the neighborhood of our solar system, such as that, while the rest of the universe experiences the many billions of years which the evidence tells us that it has, LOCALLY, here on Earth, only 6,000 years have passed since the beginning of time.

Physics, as I’ve said, are not my strong suit, and astrophysics even less so, but I can’t help but think that this is the sort of thing that doesn’t really work. My first impulse is to ask if, if we assume this concept is correct, they’ve considered the idea that a super-dense gravitational field around our solar system would seem likely to cause all of the matter in our immediate vicinity to collapse into a black hole. My second impulse is to wonder if, if this is the case, whether or not they simply declare “god doesn’t want for that to happen, and so he waves his magical wand three times and causes it not to happen.” From what I’ve been able to discern, there seems to be a certain amount of deliberate hand-waving on this count, of the “this theory does not address this point in a meaningful way” variety.

My third impulse is to chuckle bemusedly. Because it seems to me that even the YECs have been forced to retreat in the face of the available evidence; they concede that, yes, the universe is billions of years old, there’s no more denying that. But we can still say that the Earth itself is only a few thousand years old, because – due to this relativistic effect – we’ve missed out on most of those billions of years, and indeed, it’s not even that the rest of the universe is billions of years old; it’s that it’s experienced billions of years of growth and change during the 6,000 years of “real time” which the Earth has experienced, which is the only time worth mentioning or counting. Which sounds like an amazingly semantic argument to me.

My fourth impulse is to laugh a little bit. Because it seems to me that they’re positing a god which has gone to an amazing amount of trouble to create a situation which SEEMS to have been a product of billions of years of natural development, and which SEEMS to disprove the story he ostensibly wants us all to believe, when simply plopping things down in such a way as to produce the “ever-expanding shell of visible stars” model I proposed above would have been just as easy, and would have, again, presented clear and irrefutable evidence of the veracity of his creation. But instead, he would have had to go out of his way to create a universe which seems to obscure and obfuscate this truth, as though attempting to mislead anyone who doesn’t make some massive and seemingly-unfounded leaps of faith in order to get to the “proper” conclusions. I laugh because a god which would do all of this still seems like the mischievous trickster-god which they rejected in the first place.

Honestly, the mental gymnastics these people put themselves through in order to never have to admit that they’re wrong is amazing. As a sort of mental exercise, it’s almost admirable in a Rube Goldbergian sort of way, but as an actual approach to life, the universe, and everything, it’s a little on the horrifying side.

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I had a conversation recently on the topic of christian theism which has had the gears spinning in a fairly robust way in the days since. There’s a thought which occurred to me some years ago during a conversation with a christian acquaintance of mine which I think I’ve now refined into a fairly bulletproof argument against the moral character of the christian god. I’m going to try to summarize it as briefly, persuasively and effectively as I can, and I welcome any and all debate on the topic.

 

Alright, let’s assume for the sake of conversation that the christian god exists more-or-less as-described in the bible. He is, in this example, omnipotent and omniscient. I’m going to call him Yahweh for the remainder of this discussion for the sake of clarity and brevity. Let us further assume that hell is real, and is more-or-less as it is believed to exist by the majority of contemporary christians: A terrible place of eternal torment, and one which, in order to avoid it, one needs to be a christian and undergo certain practices and such (which vary widely from one denomination to another, and so we’ll leave that open within this dialogue).

 

Moreover, Yahweh is considered “good”, in a fairly conventional way; well-intentioned and benevolent. He is believed, by most christians, to basically want people not to go to hell, but allows them the freedom to choose their own choices in life, which can lead them wherever it will.

 

Now, assuming all of this, Yahweh knows me better than I know myself, and knows what sorts of situations I would need to be exposed to in order that I might be able to believe that he exists. Furthermore, given his unlimited power and knowledge, he knows a presumably infinite number of scenarios in which I would come to believe in him. Let us call this set of scenarios “Set A”. Any and all scenarios in which I would not ultimately come to believe in him, become a christian and thus avoid hell can therefore be called “Set B.”

 

Thus far, in my life, I have only been exposed to scenarios from Set B. A common christian line of thinking on this topic might produce the idea that I have in fact been exposed to many situations which MIGHT have convinced me, but I have thus far chosen not to be convinced (thus “free will”). I would argue, however, that given Yaweh’s precise and unwaveringly-correct knowledge, however, he would know that any such situation ultimately would not convince me, which places them firmly in Set B. Now, Yahweh, in this scenario, could at any point in my life up to this point, have exposed me to any of the scenarios in Set A. He has not done so, however, in that I have yet to be persuaded. He furthermore knows (again, with absolute certainty and clarity) that everything I’ve been exposed to thus far exists within Set B. He has not allowed any of the scenarios in Set A to have taken place, and taken no action to cause any of them to take place. Given this, it must be assumed that he either does not wish for me to believe in him, or is merely indifferent.

 

If I were to die tomorrow, never having been exposed to any of the scenarios in Set A, I would – by our earlier assumptions – go to hell and be punished forever for not believing and not becoming a christian (whatever that may entail). I would in short be subjected to eternal and inescapable torture for not having been exposed to any of the events in Set A.

 

An omniscient god would know that one of the events in Set A needs to take place in order for this to be avoided. If such a god decides that my lifetime should pass without any of the events in Set A to take place, he is deciding that I should go to hell, as surely as a man who sees a child wandering blindly into traffic and chooses not to stop that child is deciding that that child should die. Certainly, there is the matter of free will; allowing that child to make the uninformed decision which would lead to its own death, but where is the morality in deciding that not warning that child in a way it would understand and be able to act upon is the right thing to do? Where, more to the point, is the morality in deciding that I should go on to hell without receiving a warning in a way that I would find persuasive, when delivering that warning in a way that I would find persuasive is well within the knowledge and power of Yahweh?

 

Now, in this scenario, every individual person has their own personal Set A and Set B. I would make the case that in this scenario, moreover, every single person who has ever died without becoming a christian has gone their lives without any of the events in their own personal Set As taking place. In each of their cases, Yahweh knew what would persuade them and took no steps to allow any of those persuasive events to take place. To that extent, he decided that each and every one of them ought to go to hell, when he knew with absolute certainty and clarity what would have been required in order for that not to take place, and did not allow that thing to occur.

 

Returning for a moment to the topic of choice and free will: Even if we assume that belief is a matter of choice (which I am by no means convinced of), and that you can simply choose to believe one thing or another, this does nothing to alter this matter: An omniscient god would know in advance what I would choose in any given scenario (and never be mistaken or surprised by my choices), and thus, if there are certain situations in which I would choose to believe in him, these would still fall within Set A, and the rest, naturally, within set B. The matter of whether belief is a product of choice or not is irrelevant in this consideration, and thus the question of respecting free will and allowing people to make their own mistakes (which are also traits commonly ascribed to Yahweh) does not enter into it.

 

In short, Yahweh routinely decides that people ought to suffer eternally due to the fact that they have not been given access to the persuasive arguments necessary to convince them not to do so. They are made to suffer, to that extent, for the misdeeds, shortcomings and failures of those around them, including, principally, Yahweh himself.

 

If this is the case, then to what extent can Yahweh be considered “good”, and to what extent can the sentence of eternal damnation for those who simply do not believe in him be considered just?

 

I argue that there is no extent to which either can be considered true. Such a god, if he existed, would be cruel, capricious, selfish and malign, seemingly arbitrarily deciding for people whether or not they ought to suffer for events beyond their own control, but well within his own. And I would furthermore argue that such a god would be unworthy or praise, adulation or worship.

 

Naturally, I do not argue that such a god exists, or has any of the traits described here, but that if a christian theist believes their god has the traits described above, then the conclusion that he is anything but morally repugnant is impossible to draw from those assumptions.

I met a mormon!

  • 21st Apr, 2009 at 6:39 AM
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So the other day, I had my first encounter with a Mormon. Mormons are pretty rare here in BC, and for most British Columbians, our main exposure to them is reading about that Mormon splinter group that lives up in the mountains and still practices polygamy, and so I’ve sort of wanted to have a chance to play with one of them for some time now. Predictably enough, it didn't go so well for him.

Poor Elder Gonzales. )Edit: I also posted this in the atheism community, where there's some decent discussion in the comments worth checking out:  http://community.livejournal.com/atheism/2043912.html
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Many years ago, my friend Paul and I attended a debate at the University of Guelph entitled "Does God Exist?" There were two fellows there, both of whom purportedly arguing in favour of a scientific worldview. One of them, however, was - perhaps unsurprisingly - being a trifle more thorough about it than the other. I can't remember their names, but for the purposes of this anecdote, their names aren't terribly important. What's important is that they were spokespeople for two fairly well-represented approaches to this question.

There was the one fellow arguing essentially for an evidence-based approach to learning, and for what any reasonable person might call "actual science". The other fellow, who was taking the "pro-god exists" position at that debate, built his argument around what is called the "first cause" or "prime mover" argument. In the briefest of terms, this argument goes something like this: Everything we can perceive in the universe has a cause, and usually one we can in some way understand or theorize about. We can go back further and further back in the history of the universe and find one thing before another before another, each causing the thing after it in a giant chain of causality. At the beginning of this chain, he argued, there must be an "un-caused cause"; something that caused the next series of things, but which required no cause for itself. This cause, he furthermore argued (and here we get to the insultingly ridiculous anthropic principle), did such a jim-dandy job of setting up this string of causes in such a way as to eventually cause human beings to exist that it must have been an amazing super-intellect which had human beings in mind as an end result of his act of creation. So we might as well call this entity "god", and therefore conclude that he exists. He went on in much greater detail, of course, but I don't feel the need to expand upon it too much; you should easily enough be able to find any number of other Christians out there parroting the same material.

And I use the word christian advisedly here: The man was a christian, and intended for the audience to be convinced that his christian god was real and thus subscribe to his bronze age mythology. If we had all walked out of that lecture hall and become Muslims or Hindus, or started a hundred different and distinct religions, each of which were confusingly named "The Church of the First Cause" (which, come to think of it, actually isn't a bad-sounding name), I doubt very much that he would have been very happy with the outcome of having convinced us simply of the existence of this "first cause"; he had a specific identity and personality in mind for this entity which his hypothesis didn't seem to contain support for.

This is an obviously vacuous hypothesis for a number of reasons. I was ten years old when I first asked "Oh yeah? Well then who created god?", and to this day, I've never heard a christian (or any other theist) provide an explanation for their pet deity's existence which wasn't laughable and which was supported by their own mythology. This fellow - the debater above - took the stance that his god required no cause, no reason to exist, and that was that. It seems to me that this falls apart for a couple of different reasons.

The first, which occurred to me several years ago, is that even if he were entirely correct and that there WERE a divine "first cause", there's no reason to expect it to be the christian god he plainly meant to convince us to worship. And I don't even necessarily mean "What if it were Odin or Zeus or whatever" (and yes, I acknowledge that neither was a creator god in their own mythologies, but bear with me here). I mean, even if we entertain his idea that there IS a christian god, that he is essentially as-described in the bible, and that he created our universe, this does nothing at all to support the idea that such an entity might be his "prime mover". What if this god exists, but was caused by some super-god in some higher plane, and whom the christian god is nothing but a helpless insect before the presence of? What if that super-god was himself created by some super-duper god on some higher plane than that? What if this goes back another sixteen or sixty levels further back than the first link in that chain of causes he posited, and the true first cause is actually just some primordial chaos with no intellect or will or what-have-you, and which caused a situation in which his god came into existence by means of what we might teasingly call a naturalistic process?

I'm not saying this is true, or that we have any reason to believe it. I'm saying that the hypothetical structure he's provided gives us at least as much reason to believe this crazy bullshit hypothesis as the crazy bullshit hypothesis he actually wants us to embrace, and thus his argument does nothing whatsoever to accomplish underlying his goals, if you give it the scrutiny it deserves.

But there's an even bigger problem than that, and one which occurred to me quite a bit more recently: If we accept his idea that we live in a universe where things - even very complicated and unlikely things like the spontaneous generation of a hyper-intelligent and immortal substance-less intellect such as his "first cause" - then what does that tell us about the sort of universe in which we live? It tells us, among other things, that we live in a crazy, arbitrary universe where things CAN happen without cause or reason, and that as such, there's no reason to believe that any GIVEN phenomenon needs to be traced back to some primordial prime mover. Why do human beings exist? No reason. Just because. Why does gravity exist? No reason. Just because. Why does god exist? No reason. Just because. Again, if we accept his premise, that we live in a universe which plays home to these sort of random and arbitrary events, why do we suppose that there is a SINGLE first cause? There could be dozens, hundreds, an INFINITY of "first causes", each of which came into existence for no reason whatsoever, and the first first cause to have come into existence for no reason whatsoever could have little or no impact upon the universe at all as it presently exists, having long ago been marginalized by all of the subsequent "first causes".

Indeed, even if we grant his hypothesis the boon of the little bit more rope which it needs to hang itself and say that this first first cause is - as he believes - this christian god of his, then who's to say that in a universe where things can happen without any cause or reason, this god might not have at some point ceased to exist or had its nature changed or somesuch... again, for no reason, and without any cause? What if this god DID exist and was at one point immortal, omnipotent and omniscient and all that, but at some point, for no reason and with no cause, he suddenly became a drooling, mindless, and somewhat spiteful invalid?

Again, I'm not saying this is true, or that we have any reason to believe it. What I am saying is that - again - the hypothetical framework he set up seems to allow for this sort of event, and that if so, there's no way we can take anything he - or anyone else - says very seriously.

"And so you see, this is how you get yourself into heaven."
"Oh, yeah? When did we first hear about that?"
"Two thousand years ago!"
"Well, how do we know it hasn't changed since then?"
"Why would it have changed?"
"No reason. Just because."

It's self-defeating reasoning; a hypothesis which by its very nature cannot prove anything, since its core premise prevents anything from being explained by its very nature. The very definition of a self-defeating argument.

Oh, how I wish I could travel back in time to that day so I could have asked this question to him during the question period at the end of the debate. I expect I would have destroyed him on the spot, causing him to bodily disappear in a puff of logic.

On discrimination against bad ideas.

  • 26th Mar, 2009 at 8:35 AM
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I'm sure that many of

you have heard, recently, about the recent resolution passed by representatives of various countries dominated by the ridiculous bullshit religion of Islam, within the United Nations Council on Human Rights, that any criticism of their ridiculous and laughable faith be considered a violation of the human rights of those who believe in their inane and nonsensical fairy tales.

Naturally, I think this is a marvelous and well-founded idea. Those primitive-minded half-wits deserve all of the protection they can possibly receive from having the obvious fact that they're living their lives in the manner of deluded children who cannot separate fantasy from reality pointed out to them or spoken aloud, and anyone who plainly articulates the fact that one would have to have the mind of a retarded cave-man to ever believe any of the laughable rubbish they've dedicated their lives to ought to be treated as the beasts and criminals that they are for doing so.

It is with this in mind that I should like to see certain other obviously dangerous and/or horrible behaviours enshrined and protected by law using similar language, so that we should all have the protection that these deluded cretins seek to enjoy, and to this end, I have prepared the following thorough though non-exhaustive list.

1) The United Nations does hereby prohibit the criticism or questioning, by law-enforcement officers or others, of the act of drunken driving. The driving of a vehicle while inebriated is a precious and sacred activity for an entire class of irresponsible morons the world over, and the criticism of that activity constitutes a persecution by the sober and responsible majority of the home countries of these peoples, which no civilized person can ethically justify. The United Nations therefore condemns any individual or body of individuals who would seek to caution against this activity, question the judgement of those who partake in it or seek legal action against or compensation from damages or death arising from such actions.

2) The United Nations does hereby condemn those whose actions since the dawn of nautical history constitute a systematic and deliberate persecution of piracy. Those who live the pirate lifestyle are entirely entitled to their chosen lifestyle, and yet at all times and at all places, they have been treated as criminals and worse by those who attempt to stop them from hijacking their ships. This sort of victimization of pirates by those who would prevent said pirates from stealing the cargo of their ships and/or take part in the murder and/or enslavement of the passengers and/or crews of these ships is a clear and gross violation of the pirates' human rights, and a premeditated and systematic attempt to eradicate their lifestyle from the Earth. It is therefore resolved that those who attempt to prevent pirates from these and related acts of piracy are to be treated as criminals, and the various coastal nations of the world are encouraged to draft laws to prosecute those who would thus persecute these practitioners of this ancient and time-honoured sea-faring lifestyle.

3) The United Nations does hereby condemn those women whose actions and/or omission of actions vis a vis withholding of sexual favours constitute a persecution of obnoxious assholes crudely propositioning them in public places. Throughout the world, men are routinely denigrated, marginalized and denied the opportunity to "give women what they really need" based upon nothing more than their chosen and personally cherished activities vis a vis shouting at, groping and verbally abusing women with aggressive sexual innuendo. As these actions serve the purpose of preventing them from the basic human right of reproduction, it is therefore to be considered tantamount to forced sterilization and indeed genocide. This blatant violation of their human rights is therefore held to be unethical, and all member-states of the UN are encouraged in the strongest of terms to draft laws which would see women who refuse to indulge these advances prosecuted and sentenced to public service and/or prison terms in men's penitentiaries, where they may pay their debt to society.

4) The United Nations does hereby condemn those who criticize idiots, jackasses and morons of all stripes. Though idiots constitute large and in many cases majority populations throughout the world, they are routinely made to feel like fools by those more intelligent, better-informed and more thoughtful than themselves. This constitutes a gross violation of their human rights, as does any disagreement with or refusal to act upon any idiotic ideas which they might offer up or decide to act upon. It is therefore resolved that all nations are strongly encouraged to draft laws which dictate criminal charges be brought against those who disagree with or offer any meaningful critique of any idiotic person or idea, including, but not limited to, the drafting of said laws.

(Note that this last acts as something of a catch-all for the previous three, and indeed for the criticism of Islam, and to the same extent, all other religions.)

I expect to see these resolutions passed in brisk order.

 

For the benefit of any Muslim readers who may be offended by the false impression that I am comparing their insipid religion to drunk driving, piracy and verbal abuse of women, I wish it to be known that I am comparing them ONLY in terms of the fact that - like the practice of their asinine religion - these are bad and destructive ideas which the world would do better without, and that no other offense or slight is intended against their basic human rights.

Working for the church, motherfuckers.

  • 6th Feb, 2009 at 6:38 AM
Cocktopus
So, remember a little over a month ago, I was talkng about going back to voulenteering at a homeless shelter up in Vancouver on Thursday nights? Well, it has for the most part been going swimmingly, though it has not been entirely without some small bumps.

Before my first appearance there some five weeks back, I had spoken to the fellow in charge of the operation; a young man named Jordan, and had identified myself to him as "Dave, the atheist fellow who voulenteered there a few years back. Carl, who was running the show back then will remember me." So, while I had no interest in making an issue of my atheism or beating anyone over their heads with it, it was nevertheless out there so far as Jordan was concerned.

The first night went very well, and at the end of the evening as I was gathering up my gear from the church office where it had been locked up for safe-keeping, Jordan and I had a brief conversation on the topic.

Jordan: "Well, thanks for coming out. You're a really hard worker!" 
Me: "Well, you know, I came here to work. What's the point in coming out if I'm not going to give it my all, right?"
Jordan: "Well, thanks. We really appreciate it."
Me: "I know you and I come at this from really different places, but the end result is the same. For my own part, I figure we're all alone in this great big universe, and nobody's going to help us but each other, and since we've only got this one shot at it, we owe it to ourselves and each other to make it as good as we can for all of us, you know?"
Jordan: "Well, bless you."

And that moment was so perfectly, perfectly absurd, in light of what I had just said, I could not contain a full-throated gale of laughter from erupting from my mouth right there in the church, nor indeed could I stop laughing until well after I had made my way out of the building and onto the street.

The next week, my friend Ray came along with me (as indeed he has each of the subsequent weeks), and I had told him about this exchange from the week before. At the end of the night, we were on our way out, when: 

Jordan: "Bless you both, guys."
Me: "Now, cut that out!"
Ray: "Not that we don't appreciate the thought..."
Me: "...the underlying sentiment, if you will..."
Ray: "...but save it for someone who needs it..."
Me: "...or indeed, someone for whom it would be in any way meaningful."

That seems to have broken him of this habit, as it has not recurred in subsequent visits.

Nova - The Bible's Buried Secrets

  • 28th Dec, 2008 at 4:20 AM
Cocktopus

A couple of weeks ago, I watched a fantastic documentary from Nova called "The Bible's Buried Secrets". As people who know me are well aware, this sort of thing is like crack to me. It essentially looks at the very early history of the Israelite people by means of a combination of approaches and creating a synthesis which is very compelling to me. They seek to disentangle the actual history of these people from the various strands of mythology which you find in the bible. And it does treat this book as mythology, and moreover, a sort of Frankensteineian hodge-podge of four DIFFERENT mythological traditions which were spliced, over the course of centuries, into the early books of the Torah (or "Old Testament" as the Christians somewhat condescendingly call it). It doesn't do so in an unfriendly or hostile way at all; it approaches the early history of this people as an engaging historical saga which has been obscured and confused by a series of myths which nevertheless served various useful purposes to the culture of this struggling people. It goes into a number of different corroborating sources for different elements of the story being told, many drawn from archaeological digs performed in the area over the last sixty years or so, mainly by Israeli archaeologists who have a vested interest in discerning the truth of their own early history.

I've shown this film to a number of friends, who have all enjoyed it tremendously, and I suspect many of you will as well. I know I fully plan on buying the DVD when it becomes available for sale in February.

For the time being, the entire thing can be viewed for free by Americans at Nova's page for the film here: http://www.pbs.org/nova/bible

For those outside of the US, there are a number of opportunities. For example, some helpful soul has broken it up into 12 parts and posted them on YouTube, the first of which I post here: 




If that's not to your tastes (as Youtube video quality can be a little on the weak side), there's always the torrent option : http://www.mininova.org/tor/2030190


Are You a Hardcore Atheist?

  • 27th Dec, 2008 at 4:45 AM
Cocktopus

Apparently there's this "Are you a hardcore atheist" meme going around, which I found by means of the excellent Evolved and Rat/i/onal blog. While I only occasionally post memes and surveys of this sort, I felt this one was smart and on-the-nose enough to be worth my time and attention.

Quoting from the original post....
 

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How serious do you take your atheism?

Let’s find out.

Copy and paste the list below on your own site, boldfacing the things you’ve done. (Feel free to add your own elaboration and commentary to each item!)

  1. Participated in the Blasphemy Challenge.
  2. Met at least one of the “Four Horsemen” (Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris) in person.
  3. Created an atheist blog.
  4. Used the Flying Spaghetti Monster in a religious debate with someone.
  5. Gotten offended when someone called you an agnostic.
  6. Been unable to watch Growing Pains reruns because of Kirk Cameron.
  7. Own more Bibles than most Christians you know.
  8. Have at least one Bible with your personal annotations regarding contradictions, disturbing parts, etc.
  9. Have come out as an atheist to your family.
  10. Attended a campus or off-campus atheist gathering.
  11. Are a member of an organized atheist/Humanist/etc. organization.
  12. Had a Humanist wedding ceremony.
  13. Donated money to an atheist organization.
  14. Have a bookshelf dedicated solely to Richard Dawkins.
  15. Lost the friendship of someone you know because of your non-theism.
  16. Tried to argue or have a discussion with someone who stopped you on the street to proselytize.
  17. Had to hide your atheist beliefs on a first date because you didn’t want to scare him/her away. (I actually feel that the fact that I have refused to hide my beliefs even when on a date with a christian girl and gradually and gently introduced her to what proveed to be some fairly persuasive arguments sould count in my favour...)
  18. Own a stockpile of atheist paraphernalia (bumper stickers, buttons, shirts, etc).
  19. Attended a protest that involved religion.
  20. Attended an atheist conference.
  21. Subscribe to Pat Condell’s YouTube channel.
  22. Started an atheist group in your area or school.
  23. Successfully “de-converted” someone to atheism.
  24. Have already made plans to donate your body to science after you die.
  25. Told someone you’re an atheist only because you wanted to see the person’s reaction.
  26. Had to think twice before screaming “Oh God!” during sex. Or you said something else in its place.
  27. Lost a job because of your atheism.
  28. Formed a bond with someone specifically because of your mutual atheism (meeting this person at a local gathering or conference doesn’t count).
  29. Have crossed “In God We Trust” off of — or put a pro-church-state-separation stamp on — dollar bills.
  30. Refused to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. (Canadian equivalent: refused to stand for the national anthem because of the "god keep our land lyric)
  31. Said “Gesundheit!” (or nothing at all) after someone sneezed because you didn’t want to say “Bless you!”
  32. Have ever chosen not to clasp your hands together out of fear someone might think you’re praying. (I'm almost embarassed about this one)
  33. Have turned on Christian TV because you needed something entertaining to watch.
  34. Are a 2nd or 3rd (or more) generation atheist.
  35. Have “atheism” listed on your Facebook or dating profile — and not a euphemistic variant.
  36. Attended an atheist’s funeral (i.e. a non-religious service).
  37. Subscribe to an freethought magazine (e.g. Free Inquiry, Skeptic) (I buy them both regularly, but I'm not going to claim this one)
  38. Have been interviewed by a reporter because of your atheism.
  39. Written a letter-to-the-editor about an issue related to your non-belief in God.
  40. Gave a friend or acquaintance a New Atheist book as a gift.
  41. Wear pro-atheist clothing in public.
  42. Have invited Mormons/Jehovah’s Witnesses into your house specifically because you wanted to argue with them.
  43. Have been physically threatened (or beaten up) because you didn’t believe in God.
  44. Receive Google Alerts on “atheism” (or variants).
  45. Received fewer Christmas presents than expected because people assumed you didn’t celebrate it. (in fairness, they are correct)
  46. Visited The Creation Museum or saw Ben Stein’s Expelled just so you could keep tabs on the “enemy.”
  47. Refuse to tell anyone what your “sign” is… because it doesn’t matter at all.  (I've really annoyed people by claiming that I was born on a far-away world where the stars appear in different arrangements than they do on Earth, and thus the constellations as they appear on Earth have no bearing upon me)
  48. Are on a mailing list for a Christian organization just so you can see what they’re up to…
  49. Have kept your eyes open while you watched others around you pray.
  50. Avoid even Unitarian churches because they’re too close to religion for you.

THirty-one out of fifty. Not bad, not bad. If you're interested, by all means post your own. Even with the recent influx of readers, I suspect the atheist community is still well-represented within my circle of LJ friends.


Cocktopus


Hey, all. Or, more particularly, all in and around Vancouver (of which I know there are a few).

A few years ago, I got roped into voulenteering at a homeless shelter up in Vancouver; a program called "Out of the Cold." It was run out of the Grandview Calvary Baptist Church, and this was, for certain (and I think obvious) reasons a little uncomfortable in that sense. Still, I had friends I was voulenteering with, and this made the experience survivable at first. Not only did I have people I was comfortable with, but I feel like there was a certain "Safety in numbers" deal going on, which kept the christians from proselytizing to me.

As time went on, and weeks turned into months, the christians there, I think, came to accept me and warmed up to me. I was a hard worker, I was polite, and I was doing good work. And you know, it was a good experience for me. Really good. I felt like I was living up to my moral standards in a very tangible way.

I always say, "We all have this one life, this one chance, this one world, and afterwards, nothing. It's up to us, and only us, to make sure it's as good experience for all of us as we can. We're all in this thing together." Having the chance to really put that philosophy to action was an enormously satisfying experience.

The next winter, though, when the program started up again, I was working thursday nights. And the next. And the next. And so on. I kept wanting to get back to it, but I never quite found the time.

These last few days, as I'm sure it's escaped nobody's notice, have been terribly, bitterly cold. It put me in mind of that program, and I realized "Hey, I have thursday nights free". I did some checking, and it seems the program is still going. Even better, the guy who was running it at the time I was there - a fellow named Karl - is still around. Karl, more than anyone there, I remember fondly. As the winter program was coming to an end that year, I remember him giving me a card (and I wish I could find it now! I'm sure I didn't throw it away!), telling me about how I had changed his mind about atheists, and showed him it's possible to be moral for entirely altruistic reasons, without any desire or need to get into heaven. It touched me rather deeply.

So, I'm going back there. This thursday, most likely, and I expect on subsequent thursdays as well. This having been said... I find that I would prefer to go there along with a kindred spirit or two, for the same reasons as I enumerated above. I don't know if any of you folks have thursday late afternoon/early evening free, but if you do, I would be glad of the company. Besides which, it's a worthy cause and the feeling of genuine satisfaction which springs from that is one which you would do well not to deny yourselves.

One way or the other, I'll be there. Perhaps I'll have a story or two to share when I get back.

Cocktopus
This is a topic I've struggled with for a while now, and I wanted to both share my musings on it and ask for any insights anyone (and most especially anyone who might have been a black christian in America) for their insights on.

I've always had a problem with the enthusiasm of christians of colour, if you will, in the United States. And not merely the same problems that I have with christians of other races down there, though those certainly apply as well. No, my problem is one of a certain logical disconnect. One stemming from their point of origin, one might say. And here I refer primarily to those who are descended from slaves; though I'm quite aware that there are many black christians down in the states who either immigrated on their own or whose ancestors did, my quandary with them is a different one.

When I think about those blacks descended from slaves and who are now vigorous and impassioned christians, it outrages my sensibilities a little bit when I think about how christianity was introduced to their people. Their ancestors, who were kidnapped, tortured, and pressed into invoulentary service (or, if you will, "enslaved") by white christians were brought to the United States, and there told that they were to abandon their old cultural and religious beliefs and embrace those of their captors. I imagine myself in this situation, and I imagine myself saying "Yes, of course. You people who kidnap us, torture us, enslave us, rape us and murder us plainly have a pretty good handle on this 'morality' thing. Your god, who apparently condones and dictates the terms by which we're stripped of our humanity and treated as less than beasts is obviously a fine dispenser of virtue and morality. You guys totally deserve to be emulated, and your god is obviously the one we should be looking to for ethical behaviour. Oh, wait, no. You and your entire culture sicken me, your god, if indeed he exists is plainly a monster unworthy of my attention or adulation if he permits this behaviour among his followers, and your religion makes me sick to my stomach."

And then, I suppose I would be publicly and horribly murdered by these followers of christ for failing to see the innate goodness and superiority of their moral creed, so as to make an example to anyone else who got the idea in their heads that American christians are anything less than paragons of love, mercy, and virtue.

And I suppose it's insufferably smug of me to try to project myself into this situation; I've had terrible times in my life that nearly broke and ruined me, and the very worst days I had during these days can't possibly compare with the very best days that these slaves must have had, especially in those early days before they had "settled in" to their nightmarish new lives. How can I presume to know how I would react in that sort of situation, much less judge those who were there? But even so...

I wonder if part of it is that the most dissenting and proud among them were killed off, leaving only the most meek and compliant. I wonder if there was a certain horrible natural selection going on here, where the only ones who survived long enough to breed were the ones who had the good sense or lack of pride necessary to hang their heads and obediently repeat the empty platitudes required of them until their own children were old enough to never have lived in a time when they remembered any other religious views being observed? 

I've heard tales of groups of black slaves in that time and place who cunningly disguised their own cultural beliefs by pretending they were worshiping christian saints and angels when instead they were continuing to revere their old tribal gods and spirits. While I have no less contempt for such practices than I do for christianity as a whole, in that day and age, one must have seemed as plausible as the other, and I admit to a certain admiration for their guile and nerve in pulling off such a ruse on their credulous "masters" until such a time as they were able to once again become the masters of their own destiny. It is in this way that practices like Voodoo (or vodun, if you prefer) first came into existence.

But today, in this day and age, in an age of rationality and readily-available science and historical perspective, the continued enthusiasm of black American christians offends my sensibilities. I realize that these are people who were raised in this faith. I realize that the church has long served as a centre of community from which they have drawn strength of unity as a peoples in very hard times. But even so... The very fact that this religion was pushed upon their people by the monstrous and savage culture of the southern United States, and is in a very real and ongoing sense a yoke around their collective cultural neck which was placed there by their oppressors, and which they don't seem to have the strength of character to cast off just kind of baffles me. For a people so demonstrably eager to be free in so many other ways, how can they be so eager to maintain their servitude and servility to the white man's god? 

Even the emergence of groups like the so-called Nation of Islam, which seem to exist purely as a reaction against this history only partially address this historical inequity, in that they simply move their bondage to the irrational from one source to another. And these people remain a vanishingly small minority among the population. Upon consideration (and here I know I tread on very delicate ground indeed), I wonder if the poverty and poor educational opportunities which are all-too-often afforded them as a people is in part to blame for this? Both poverty and poor education have a statistical correlation with religiosity, and all three are well-represented within the American black population.

I don't claim any special insight or personal experience here, but I would like to learn more. Is anyone in a position to shed some further light on the matter? 

cross-posted to the atheism community
Edited to add: The discussion in the above-linked community is actually really good and heated in places. Worth checking out if you're interested in this post.

Audioblog #4 - Addressing the script

  • 3rd Jun, 2008 at 7:27 AM
Cocktopus

So, this morning I saw posted in one of the many communities I'm a member of a link to a goofy christian site: 

http://www.goodpersontest.com/

It's pretty familliar material; I've seen it enough times before, in only very slightly different forms (such as in this extremely grating video by the human embodiment of the concept of smarminess; VenomFangX). I've long found it to be pretty vacuous stuff, and I've long considered writing up my response to it, but I knew that doing so would be a lengthy and not particularly rewarding experience. Fortunately, the medium of audioblogging provides me an alternative! 

Listen, enjoy, comment at will. 

Who wants to go to heaven anyways?

  • 16th Apr, 2008 at 4:34 AM
Cocktopus
Imagine this: A man approaches you. He is shaven-headed, missing a few teeth, dressed like a ruffian, with a stained white wifebeater shirt with blood and vomit stains sunk deep into it. He reeks of alcohol, and indeed is holding an open can of beer in one hand and is staggering about as he approaches you.

He tells you he has good news: There is a place. A wonderous place. This place, he tells you, is called heaven. It is the greatest place you could ever hope to go. It is a giant bar, which is open 24 hours a day, and there's always a loud party going on. There's always fighting, there's always blood on the floor, and drunken rowdies causing all the trouble you could ever want. The TVs are always blaring full-blast with soccer (or 'football' as he calls it) games playing all the time. Nobody ever sleeps, the excited screaming never quiets down, and everyone is having a great time. All you have to do there is be an appropriately rowdy, violent, beer-swilling soccer hooligan.

And what if you're not? Well, then you go to hell. Those are your two choices. One or the other when you die, and no escape from them. And once you're in one, you're there forever.

This is a little like what it's like for me when christians try to sell me on the idea of heaven; it's not a really appealing idea. Surrounded forever exclusively by people I have nothing in common with, doing things I don't enjoy, denied access to the people I like, respect, admire and enjoy. Why would I ever want that? To avoid the torture of hell? Because it's torture? They both sound like torture to me.

It's not even a question of thinking christians are 'bad' people per se; it's just that I don't enjoy their company, and an eternity surrounded by them - exclusively - worshipping a god I don't care for either sounds about as appealing as soccer hooligan heaven, above.

So, you know? Christianity really doesn't have much to offer me. Even if I believed their outlandish claims, there doesn't seem to be much there to appeal to me on an emotional level.

Freethought Radio

  • 13th Dec, 2007 at 4:47 PM
Cocktopus
Here's something of interest, particularly those down south of the border, down United States way:

http://www.airamerica.com/freethoughtradio/

It seems there's a new national atheist radio show airing on the Air America radio network, on Saturday afternoons. I haven't heard it yet, and I won't have a chance to this saturday, since I'll be busy with some pressing responsibilities, but I'll be giving it a listen next weekend if I can get a web stream of it. 

Anyone listened to this? Anyone know anything about it?  

It's not hatred which motivates me...

  • 19th Apr, 2007 at 7:17 AM
Cocktopus


In the process of researching for my book, I've come into conversation with a fairly passionate Jewish girl. During our discussions, she suggested that I hate christians. This comes up over and over again, and though I've answered it a couple of times in a couple of places, I felt the need to really get into the meat of it with her. It occurred to me that it might not be the worst idea in the world to post this bit in my journal, for the sake of public record. 

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You give voice here to one of the most common misconceptions here that I run up against in this arena, and it’s one which I find kin of baffling. I honestly neither intend nor think that the tone which I employ should give the impression that I hate christians, and yet this comes up so often. Let me tell you what I always tell people who throw this in my face: I no more hate christians than surgeons hate cancer patients. A surgeon will want to remove cancerous growths from cancer patients because they feel that these patients suffer from having this horrible thing inside of them. My approach, attitude and motives are similar; I want to remove this religion from these religious people because I feel the world suffers from having people contain this horrible thing inside of them.

I suppose I should qualify my answer somewhat, actually. I DO hate christians of the stripe of Adolph Hitler and George W. Bush; christians who use their religion to rally their christian countrymen to horrible acts of murderous, xenophobic rage. These are a vanishingly small minority, who only come up once a generation or so, but if christianity were absent from the world, such people would have nothing to work with; no means to motivate the christian soldiers to go marching unto war.

I could go a step further and say that I loathe christians of the Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps variety, who find and promote the most hateful elements of their religions so as to create the fierce us-versus-them mentality in their flocks which they benefit from so much, in terms of finances, politics and ego gratification. These are the people who mobilize large numbers of influential christians to cripple and limit society, institutionalizing the sexism, racism, homophobia, and xenophobia which genuinely is there to be found in their bible. Yet even these I do not hate: I believe that they are sincerely motivated by a pursuit of what they genuinely believe to be good… it’s just that the definition of "good" that they’re working from is one which is primitive, archaic, outmoded and simplistic. In the modern world, it does more harm than could be done with a more enlightened, sophisticated and – most importantly - EGALITARIAN philosophy. So: I loathe them. I find them to be profoundly, profoundly misguided and badly deluded victims of their pathetic mythology, who – as a byproduct of this mythology – share their victimization with the world around them. But I don’t hate them. To hate is to actively wish ill upon a person, and I don’t wish ill upon them. I just wish they would stop it.

I could go further still and say that I pity those christians who are simply christians because that happens to be the prevailing authoritarian social institution in the areas where they were raised, and are indeed so naturally predisposed towards group-think and sheep-like subservience that they’d be a passionately devoted member of any religion they were raised with. These people are beyond the reach of logic and reason, and would probably just attach themselves to some other authoritarian movement if they were ever liberated from christianity anyways, and would thus be no better off. In my darker moments, I fear that these might be the majority of christians, though I hope that I'm wrong.

I could indeed go one step further and say that I have concern for those christians who simply haven’t had access to the information necessary to make the informed decisions on the topic of their religion, and who, in a world where access to information were more wide-spread and energetically pursued, would be able to come to their own logical conclusions. They’re like plants deprived too long from the light of the sun, and seeing them makes me sad. I hope that these are the majority of christians, and that they can be reached.

On Dawkins and Agression

  • 10th Apr, 2007 at 5:01 PM
Cocktopus
 

So, I was reading the latest issue of Skeptical Inquirer (Volume 31, Number 2; March/April 2007), and within it there was a story entitled A Free-for-All on Science and Religion, by George Johnson. It was about a conference last November in San Diego, on the topic of decreasing the role of religion in society. Many familiar names were in attendance, including Professor Richard Dawkins.

As is nearly always the case when Professor Dawkins speaks in a public forum, there were calls – even, notably, from his fellow atheists – that he was too strident, too aggressive, too insulting, and that he risked alienating the very people who he sought to convince. Anyone familiar with his work will understand where these complaints come from. Indeed, I myself have friends who I’ve needed to have this conversation with a number of times. But ultimately, what I have to say on the topic is this:

Bullshit.

Professor Dawkins is saying exactly what we all know, in our heart of hearts, but are too timid (some of us, at least!) to say aloud. Religion is a mental illness, and inflicting it upon children is a form of child abuse. Really, is there any atheist who does not, in their heart of hearts, know this to be the case? I very much doubt it. If we were as used to complete sincerity and earnestness as I would like for us to be, none of us would ever think to look askance at such discourse. The problem is that we live in a society which trains us to be insincere and disingenuous. All of us have heard christians tell us "I’ll pray for you", and known full well – FULL WELL – that the christian saying it was being dishonest in his intent. It’s passive-aggressive nonsense. What makes it that much worse is the fact that they MEAN for it to be taken as an insult, we KNOW it for an insult… and yet the FORM must be respected. We must not be honest. We must not be earnest. We must hide our intentions underneath layers of bullshit and dishonesty. The truth CAN be shown, but only through the filtering haze of lies.

This, it seems to me, is what people want from Professor Dawkins and those like him.

No. I say, let’s put it right out there. Let’s be entirely up-front, direct and sincere. If someone is going to be SO offended at us calling religion for what we really see it for being… that someone is unlikely to be swayed by reason and logic anyways. This person is an emotional thinker, swayed by their passions and wants, not by facts and by science. We lose nothing by alienating someone who is predisposed towards being our enemy for life anyways. We may, however, gain some support from people who are capable of admiring and appreciating honesty and straightforwardness. And really, isn’t that sort of person to be preferred as an ally anyways?

The complaint against him, from the likes of those who would call him – self-contradictorily - an ‘atheist fundamentalist’ stems from something deeper than a distaste for what he is saying and doing per se. It stems from a distaste for direct discourse, honesty in discussion, and the willingness to confront conventional wisdom head-on when appeasement and conniving are possible. I find this trait to be nearly as loathsome as I find religion itself, and I for one will have nothing to do with it.

In his day, Galileo was imprisoned in his home for the final decades of his life not for his heretical belief that the world was round; he was imprisoned for his willingness to say so to the faces of the people who didn’t want to hear it. In the end, though, history vindicated him, and we hold him to be one of the great heroes and visionaries of the past thousand years. The atheists today who speak so vitriolically against Professor Dawkins are the very same people who, those centuries ago, would have advised Galileo to just be quiet about his heresy, pretend that the world is flat, and try not to rock the boat too much. After all, you’ll only make enemies of the chistians by doing something foolish like telling them that they’re demonstrably wrong. Would it not be better to allow them that there’s room for both flat-Earth thinking and round-Earth thinking, instead of being so unspeakably RUDE as to confront them with the proof that their claims are manifestly incorrect?

No. No appeasement. No retreat. History will vindicate us, and people like Professor Dawkins will be remembered not as rude and obnoxious, but as courageous and bold. Backing down now will only embolden enemies of logic and science who need little enough prompting to be emboldened as it is. The stakes are too high to grant them even this small victory.

Book Update #1

  • 29th Mar, 2007 at 6:19 AM
Cocktopus

Book Update #1

So, for years upon years now, people have been urging me to write something. Something. Anything. A book. Whatever. Well, peer pressure isn’t the best way to get me to do anything, but my desire to pay my bills while at the same time provide for an upswing in my hate mail is such that it seems that perhaps I ought to heed the advice of my many well-wishers and make the attempt.

And what do I have in mind? Well, do try to contain your surprise, but I have in mind a book on the topic of theology, and it’s going to be a tad on the hostile side. Staggering, I am aware. Sitting on my laptop’s hard drive are about a dozen half-finished essays and such revolving around a similar set of themes; mostly dealing with problems I have with christian theology and teleology. It seems to me that the reason I have difficulty in finishing a lot of them is a lack of focus and necessity. If it were all TOWARDS something substantive, it would be a good deal easier to see them through, since completing them would serve a concrete goal. Thus: A book.

I plan on posting progress reports, musings, and other things with regards to the research, preparation, and writing process of the book here. Some of what I write may end up as material in the book, though this is not my explicit plan; if you could read all the best stuff here for free, what would be the point of paying for the book? Still, this having been said, I would very, very much appreciate input, thoughts, and discussion from you folks. After all, many of you fall within the range which I would call "target audience", and many more of you are simply people who I respect and value the insights of.

The central thrust of the book (and the specific wording of this mission statement continues to change by the day; I need to hammer it down to something specific and concise by the time I start writing chapter one) is roughly this:

The god of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims is said by his various followers to be all-knowing, all-loving and all-good. The religions which claim to worship him, though, if viewed with modern eyes and modern sensibilities, paints a different picture; one of a bloody-minded thug and tyrant; jealous, vain, and wrathful. The reason for this is a simple one: The authors of the bible were primitive people in a primitive culture, and their concept of morality was consequentially primitive. Thus, the god they imagined as the height of morality was created as a similarly primitive-minded figure. Only apologetics, revisionism, and the mindless inertia of tradition in the millennia since then have allowed the members of these three religions to continue to claim that their god is the embodiment of morality, in spite of the gains in moral sophistication we have made, as a civilization, since that time, which have rendered said morality antiquated and obsolete. Consequentially, this mythology still carries, at its core, the seeds of brutality and oppression planted by its creators, regardless of how hard its proponents since then have worked to weed them out in favour of a more benign philosophy in the intervening centuries. This book, then, is to be an exploration of the morality of the god character, of the religions spawned around it, the people who support it, and the consequences and permutations of it since then. This is the amorality of god.

I’m planning on taking this topic on from four different directions, at the moment. This number may change in the fullness of time. At present, though, the plan is roughly this: One chapter on a discussion of the moral character of the christian god as suggested by the modern-day interpretations of christian mythology, and christian society as it exists today. One chapter devoted to discussion of the biblical depiction of the christian god, with a particular eye towards the cultural underpinnings and origins of the concepts and ideas within it, with additional attention to what elements are ignored or stressed in modern-day interpretations. One chapter on the topic of the psychology of submission; why so many people are so apt to accept, defend, desire and make excuses for abusive authority figures, up to and especially including this god character; this will include discussions of Authoritarianism, Battered Wife Syndrome, and Stockholm Syndrome. Finally, one chapter on the history of brutality, abuses, and sense of entitlement of the christian faiths down through the ages, with an eye towards how this is a logical product of a belief that they are serving a god with similar drives, desires and motives.

Needless to say, there’s some pretty serious research involved in a project of this nature. I have a certain more-than-passing familiarity with many of these topics, but I’m going to need to expand my understanding of them considerably in order to be able to speak on them credibly. I’m not in high school anymore; I can’t get by on force of personality alone (well, I suppose I could, but then what would I be but a thick-shouldered, brown-haired Ann Coulter who doesn’t wax his beard and dress like a woman?). To that end, I need to get down to some pretty serious research. I’ve already begun this process, speaking with some Jews in a couple of different forums about certain elements of their mythology, including their afterlife myths and the purported benevolence of their god.

There is a question that christians who want to scare me into loving their god often pose me. I think they believe this is one of their big guns, because it is always asked with such conviction and fervor. This question, in essence, is "what if you’re wrong?" What if there is a hell, what if I need to believe in their god to avoid going there, what if by refusing to submit now I’ll end up regretting it later? I’ve had various answers I’ve presented them with over the years. Some of them more concise than others. Some have run along the lines of "Well, even if I’m wrong, that by no means means that you’re right". Some have been more akin to "What if you’re wrong, and you’re wasting your life groveling for attention from a nonexistent entity?" After talking to these Jews, though, I have a new stock answer to give them: "If I’m wrong, then I hope that the Jews are right".

Over the years, I’ve heard a number of differing accounts of the details of the Jewish afterlife myth. Now, when I first read the christian bible, I noticed that the concept of hell wasn’t mentioned until the New Testament. This got me to wondering: Did the Jews simply not hold this belief? Was it a purely christian invention? The answer, it seems, is a little bit of ‘yes’ and a little bit of ‘no’. As I suspected, the Jews don’t have much in the way of a hell-type myth; the worst you’ll get after your death, in their religion, ranges from oblivion to complete separation from their god. Neither of these really seems like something to be feared, to me. On the other hand, various traditions seem to hold that reincarnation, bodily resurrection, or a nebulously-defined afterlife called "The World to Come" are all available to people who have lived decent lives, regardless of whether you were Jewish or not. I rather like that; the idea that you would be rewarded for being a moral person, rather than simply being rewarded for toadying and ass-kissing, as is the case in Christianity. Certainly it points to a much less malign god than their fellow religions purport.

What is becoming clear to me is that, as I suspected, the inclusion of the hell-myth in the christian tradition is something that they innovated, though it seems that they were at least somewhat influenced by their early exposure to the Greek myth of Tartarus, which was a similarly dire afterlife of suffering and dread reserved for the worst of the worst of deceased souls. Christians have a long history of bastardizing other people’s myths and legends and making them a part of their own culture; the celebrations of Christmas and Easter are originally pagan festivals which they laid claim to, and even the messiah myth of Jesus Christ seems to be heavily inspired by various similar myths to be found throughout the region. Greece, of course, was the first place the early christians spread to when they began to look for converts outside of Israel, and it is perhaps unsurprising that they would end up borrowing elements of the local mythology whilst laying the groundwork for their own nascent religion when they got there.

All of which is very interesting, of course, but only a little bit of it is actually relevant for my present purposes. The most important part, right now, is that the founders of christianity DECIDED that their god wasn’t harsh enough, wasn’t demanding and vicious enough. And so they ADDED elements to the character, such as his decision to send those who would not worship him to hell. I propose that a lot of the difference in character between the aggressive, proselytizing, imperialistic christians, and their forebears -the insular, tribal, relatively benign Jews – has to do with this change of character in the central figure in their mythology. An interesting question – and a question I really don’t have an answer for at this time – is WHY they decided to make their god so much nastier than he had ever been. John, the author of Revelation, was basically a pissed-off, xenophobic lunatic, and he was certainly a driving force behind this shift. But did he originate it himself, or was he reiterating something that came from elsewhere? A question for another time.

For me, my next stop involves looking into the evolution of the concept of an omni-benevolent god. I suspect this to be a fairly modern notion, given the selectively-benevolent character of this figure in the early part of their mythology, and I’d like to learn more about whether or not the idea that he is and always has been omni-benevolent is the ret-conning it seems to be. I already have some clues to follow up on in this regard.

Hitler and Darwin?

  • 13th Feb, 2007 at 8:54 AM
Cocktopus
Every so often, the creationists will haul out the tired old trope that Darwin's theory of evolution is to blame for Adolf Hitler's holocaust. They then insinuate that, as a result of this, it is demonstratably true that evolution is itself an amoral field of study, and thus should not be taught.

Now, this line of reasoning does nothing to address the question of whether or not the science of evolution is valid or not. Nor does it address the question of what good can come of it. No, it is a purely emotional attack, meant to demonize this theory by any means necessary. It seems to me, though, that if we were to take this argument at face value, there are certain similar conclusions which would logically follow from it as well, which are never bundled together with it in a manner which would be intellectually honest.

This morning, I happened accross the latest iteration of the "Darwin gave birth to Hitler!" nonsense in this article here:

Stunning documentary links Darwin, Hitler
Holocaust was fallout of evolution theory, says production
 

Well! I couldn't let this go without comment, and so I sent them an ever-so-slightly tongue-in-cheek letter on the topic...

***

An excellent and insightful article, on a topic which bears repeating loudly and often. It is absolutely true that without the science of evolution, Hitler's philosophies could not have developed in precisely the manner that they did. Now, granted, this does nothing to invalidate or disprove the science of evolution, but it certainly does demonstrate clearly that there can be such a thing as TOO MUCH KNOWLEDGE!

I hope that at some point in the near future, we will see a similar article on the link between the science of the wheel and Hitler; had Hitler never been exposed to the science of the wheel, neither his war machine, nor the trains which carried the Jews to the death camps would ever have been possible. The wheel is plainly an evil, degenerate technology, and, much like the science of evolution, far too dangerous to be allowed to run unchecked in our society. Similar cases could be made with regards to the sciences of electricity, masonry, and metalurgy. All topics which I know your intrepid reporters will soon denounce for the same reasons.

Thankfully yours,
Dave Littler

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